Brett Turcotte and Jamie Iwaschuk: All In A Decade

Yeah, we're on.

We're live now.

That was good.

That was good.

That was a fresh one, man. Good snap on the camera.

Tasty, dude. The boys

Yeah, pretty deadly.

The boys all wanted the white money. I figured you know, the white monster has this online energy right now about it. That's like you're a real beast if you're on the white monsters, you know?

Really? Yeah. So, I'm going to carry that. Yeah. I'm going to carry that all the way through to X Games, I think.

Okay.

Yeah.

Heck yeah. Wow. What do you got on your computer, man? This is this is my

Let's get going, right? All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're back here, Edmonton, Alberta. Jumped across the border for the Alberta snowmobile show. It's always a treat to come up here. Good to see you again. I mean, you're I was telling you last night, you know, you hop on one or two more pods this season and we almost have to change the name I think to like the Turcotte Show or something. I say we just call it we just started calling it talking with Turcotte. We could Right. Right. Yeah. So yeah, we've had some we have some good ones coming out.

Obviously by the time that you're watching this, those ones have already been published because we did them at Hay Days.

Yep.

But we got some goodies there. And but we're stoked. I hit up Brett and said, “Hey, if we shoot a pod up here, who needs to be on and what do we need to talk about?” And he said there's one person that I'm that we got to have and that's

Since we're at the Alberta Snowmobile show. There's one person that needs to be on this podcast and it's Jamie.

Jamie. So, we got him.

He's also the mayor of Blue River. I haven't I didn't tell you that.

I wouldn't go that far. I'm running. I don't think I'll get any votes but

Oh, okay. You're running.

No, I'm not. But

So these guys Okay, so these guys I can't tell when they're actually telling the truth or when they're just messing with me. So, this is going to be this is going to be a fun this is going to be a fun episode. And Brett warned me, too. He's like, I don't think you know what you're getting yourself into, Trevor.

A damn good time is what you're getting yourself into.

So, here we go. So, we've got kind of a little outline here that's going to kind of keep us on track, but we're going to talk you guys got you guys have a lot of history and just as kind of seeing it from the outside, it seems and feels like you two are together quite a bit.

Okay.

Yeah. And so,

Sometimes too much.

Yeah. So, we're going to kind of dive into that and some of the experiences and stories that you have, but we're also going to kind of sprinkle in the announcement that was made not too long ago with X Games.

Yeah.

And so, we're going to touch on all of that.

Absolutely. Let's get into it, dude. I'm so excited about this one.

Let's do it. So, for those of us who were with you guys from the beginning, okay, give us like just kind of a little rundown of how this little bromance, this little relationship kicked off. Okay.

You know, honestly, it happened pre-social media era, right on the edge of like when stuff was on the come up, you know, and I mean, I can kind of let Jamie lead this one, but as far back as I could remember, we were at a dinner one night and sitting next to each other at a table and he's like, “Man, are you ever going to accept my friend request on Facebook?” And I was like, “Pardon?” I was like, “I hardly go on my Facebook. I don't I don't know where you're talking.

He's like, “Dude, I met you, you know, once through a buddy and yeah, I can let you lead on that one.” But that was the you know, the breaking of the ice was like I didn't accept his Facebook request and he was pretty upset about it.

Yeah, I was mad. I'm like, “Dude, like we rode a couple times like been hanging out.” I'm like, “What's wrong?” Like what am I doing wrong? And like that was back when like you were cool if you had like 100 followers on Instagram, right? Like that was when it just came out.

I hit 100 followers when we went to Alaska and I'm like nailed it. And then I mean to touch on that Alaska trip, that was like our first trip that we took together. Instagram was starting to blow up. Do you have a time frame for some I mean some of these kids

We're talking like early 2015 2014 13

10 12 years ago. Yeah. Like quite a while ago. I set him up to a challenge. We were in Alaska for a week and I said in this week if I can get you up over a thousand followers I'm going to get you as drunk as I can. I think we got to 999.

I got drunk on my own.

So our friendship started just by I mean snowmobiling. So, that was the sort of yeah, the breaking of the ice was I had to accept the friend request and then from then it was like the remainder of that season we kind of just sort of like trickled into each other's zones a little bit. I'm a BC local, Jamie's Alberta.

Yeah.

And never really convened, you know, never was like, hey, I'm going riding here or we're going to ride there. It was just sort of like this unorganized sort of we just all of a sudden we're on the mountain together. But that created something special, you know, that's over a decade long now. So

Why cuz like for every Jamie that you came across, you know, there's a ton of them out there that you came across on the mountain. Why did this one stick? Like what do you think?

Yeah. Just his ability to like make people laugh, you know,

Likability.

Yeah. That and he was like a pretty good snowmobiler, you know, and I enjoyed riding with guys that were good. I was just coming off of a snocross career.

I honestly was like starting my backcountry snowmobile career, I guess, if you want to call it. Like,

And you came from backcountry or you

Yeah. Yeah. Like I raced off-road dirt bikes for ever. I did that professionally for a few years and then finally I was just like, “Yeah, you know what? I think I'm just going to go to sledding.” I've always rode snowmobiles, but I just want to ride sleds. It's more fun. I had a good time doing it. I like the people that do it. I liked how it wasn't so like he didn't have to be so intense about it like you just had a little more casual. Yeah. And so then that year I just rode and we ended up seemed like every time we I went out we ended up riding together and

Yeah.

And there's not very many people that like to go and do the kind of stuff that we like to do. Like if we're on the edge of not making it home, that's where we're happy.

That's happy. That's the happy place right there.

That's what you like. You're just on plane there.

Like just like you're like there's like real sketchy and like you're just you're teetering like you're you're going to fall off any minute now. And you do, but there wasn't very many people that really like to do that, right? So then when we got together, we're like, we just feed off each other. And then all a sudden it just kind of progressed into, all right, I guess we're riding together every day now.

We're stuck together cuz no one else was going to ride with us.

That's pretty much what it was at. Like, and it's not that we were like

Shunning other people out of the group or like we just consistently found ourselves in our own little pocket, you know? And it was like we maybe would go up with eight guys, but I would look around and Jamie's the one that's right behind me. I'm like, “Okay, well, I guess this is how it go. This is our ride today.” Or he's like, “Hey, I know a shortcut. We can just go around here.” You know, and I would end up following Jamie.

Yeah.

So, yeah. I mean, that's the friendship started I guess, at the at the start of sort of like this whole social media craze that we're in. And, yeah, it's grown to where we are now.

Got Jamie a thousand followers and bam.

Yeah. There we go. What do you

No, I don't even know, man. I didn't even pay attention. I do like one post a month, maybe.

Yeah. When you guys were first diving into this, I know you just said, you know, social media wasn't it was just taking off, but what was kind of like the snowmobile scene back then? And maybe what I guess what was what's the biggest difference between how it was back then and what you guys, you know, experience and see now?

I would say you remember like back in the day how freestyle dirt biking was. Where it was like pretty aggressive. Everyone like you never seen any of the pros, right?

Yep.

They just blew by you. No one said a word. I was on the other side of that. Okay. So I like I'm like I told Brett I'm like hey man like if you're going to do this social media thing I'm like how about you like talk to the people maybe a little bit like like it's not going to hurt. I'm like these are the guys that are going to support you right and then that was like really that was kind of where

Like the manager of Brett or what?

No, I wouldn't say the manager. No, I

PR you were PR. Yeah, you were public relations for Brett, right?

Yeah. Yeah, maybe for a bit. Yeah.

And like I alluded before, he's so good at talking with people and making them laugh. I'm like, “Yeah, you know what? You're right.” And this was in the era of like DVDs coming out, iTunes putting movies online. You couldn't even post a video on Facebook, I don't think, at the time, or Instagram. It was just photos.

Just photo. Yeah.

And so, you know,

Just filter the crap out of those photos, dude. So, yeah. You look back on some of those things and you're like, “What the heck? Why?”

Sweet. What is that?

It's art.

Art.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so, you know, the brunt of it all is like Jamie and I would go out riding for fun, but then also there would be project time, you know, and Slednecks was still alive and well at that point and

Mid 2000 mid 2010s.

Yeah. We bring us up into this like 2014, 2015 era. You know, we were riding in Whistler. Had my wife, she was a fiance at the time, Nikki, and you know, our kids and we had this cabin and went to Whistler and I was like, “Dude, I think I'm ready to flip.” And he's like, “All right, yeah, yeah, I believe you.” Like, “Where are we doing it?” You know? And so then that's where it goes back to where the reference of like old school freestyle motocross and like the pros like we had a crew and we were on a mission.

And the for me I had this crew of guys behind me that was willing to assist and to potentially peel me up off of the ground in accomplishing a goal. And Jamie was the biggest one behind me supporting me that as far as, you know, he gave me the confidence. He's watched me flip dirt bikes in the past and he's like, “Yeah, you're good.” You know, we went up on the mountain. We had the help from Kalle “KJ” Johansson to scope the area and we had our film crew and everything. But in that era, Jamie and I had been doing some pretty aggressive motor work with our sleds. And the sled that I wanted to flip was bone stock.

So, while we were there, I did a complete, you know, I think it went all the way to the head, head, pipe, clutching, swap on the mountain from my main mountain snowmobile to the one that I wanted to flip.

Okay.

So, Jamie's in the back, you know, pulling pipes and heads and making sure we got water in the motor and I'm like shaping the lip and I come back and

It's all happening live.

Oh, yeah. On the mountain.

On the mountain.

Yeah.

Oh.

Because like why would we do it in the parking lot, right? Like

And you've never flipped before?

Had never flipped before. Spun my first one around. Perfect. Right. Right. I mean, overspun actually. I'm like, that was pretty cool. Go for a second one. And the handlebar grip slipped off of the handlebars while I'm upside down. I just kind of like ditch it away. I was like, that sucked. So, I come back up. Jamie fixes me up. We got some tie wire and he gets some pliers and we twist some wire onto the grips. He's like, “Yeah, you're good to go. Go do another one.” Third one, money.

And so that I mean having that partnership, not a partnership, a friendship to where he's willing to see me succeed at all cost and I'm willing as the athlete to put my body on the line. That's allowed us to accomplish some pretty amazing things.

Yeah.

You know, from the start of my first flip to where we're at now. Now it's like,

Have you guys seen the movie Dumb and Dumber?

Yeah, we're pretty close.

Are you guys pretty close to that?

Yeah.

Just kidding. So,

Yeah, you're not far off.

Yeah, exactly. So, who were some of like the OGs back then that you guys I mean, that you guys looked up to back then who were in that mountain, you know, that back kind of that backcountry scene because you like you said you came up you did make a switch into back country.

Yeah.

And who like who was it like who were inspiring you guys?

I would say like for like the tree riding stuff and like the actual like all-mountain riding, I would say like Rob Alfred.

Yeah.

Jeff Kyle,

The old school big mountain boys.

Yeah.

Yeah. Like Carl Kuster. Like there's actually like a bunch of them like

And those guys all so what's interesting I mean I guess what's interesting to me about that is like you couldn't just flip up your phone and like just like dive in and get you know see all of their content whenever you wanted. You guys were either seeing this in person or like waiting till the video came out on VHS or DVD.

Hit the rewind button to get the VHS to go back to the Alfred segment.

Yeah. So like it's it's way different back then than it is now. It's just so easy now for us, right? But like

Well, now it's so easy cuz with social media like man, you see everything before it even before like before you had to wait till the movie. Right. Now it's like oh that guy did this. Oh, this guy did that, right? Like,

And I want to go back to that. And to loop back on, you know, Jamie's influence, you can see it in I call it, you know, the big mountain riding that we get to do. You know, the Jeff Kyles, Rob Alfred, the, you know, the Kusters, like they're they were adventurous dudes on snowmobiles that were pushing the limits of what's capable, you know, in big mountain terrain. And I can see and feel that influence when I ride with Jamie. Where for me it was like when I was thinking backcountry riding, I wasn't thinking about dangling in the trees and keeping it on edge.

Like I saw the brand segments and I'm like those were cool, but like I want to see Jay Quinn go hit something huge and see how far he could fly his Pro X. You know, like those guys on like the old Ski-Doo ZX chassis like those guys,

They have this much suspension, man. And those guys are going for it, you know, and just woodpeckering the handlebars like just like

You know. So my influence came from like the big air stuff and his influence came from the big mountain stuff and we were able to like combine our riding styles together and now we have this like crazy unique opportunity to experience both. And yeah, to touch on the social media and the instant feed, you know, this past year with that sled in the movie that we premiered at Hay Days, and we did a little showing here, I kept almost every single shot that's in that movie off of the internet intentionally. And

How hard was that, man? Cuz like when you shoot something slick, it's like, I want to get that up there now.

It doesn't count almost sitting on terabytes of A-grade footage that I like cannot wait to show to the internet cuz there's stuff that I've seen people hit and I'm like I got you. There's yeah, there's some stuff in the old Turcotte phone that's waiting. It's just sitting there cooking. So, yeah.

What's the plan for it?

So once we start building the release for that sled

Because up to this point well you're releasing the full feature right?

Yeah full feature will be live on my YouTube page. So

When is that because it'll probably be after this is posted before this, for sure. Yeah. So November December.

Yeah. November third week November. I'm gonna be posting and that's going to be my buildup into winter. Right. So, yeah, I'm, sitting on some stuff that's, just sitting there simmering, waiting. It's waiting, waiting patiently.

Well, I guess if it hasn't been posted and you're watching this, someone hacked your phone, dude, and they're holding it hostage right now,

Right?

Exactly.

So, cool. Well, like I said, from afar, I've noticed like you two always together, it seems like. Yeah. And so, I think it's cool for us to kind of, you know, see how this kind of mesh together because not everyone gets, you know, gets to sit kind of in your guys' pocket.

Totally.

And, and see how things like this come together. So,

Let's talk X Games.

Yeah.

Yeah, we could talk X Games, dude. I'm excited about it.

Like, within the last month, okay, we're in October, mid October.

Yep.

Big news drops. I'm sure Brett, you they had been teasing you all this time and you knew it was coming, right? Or no,

Always. No, you know,

Because you told me you like you're like you told me where you were when you found out and I think that's

Yeah. I mean, you always hear the rumblings, right? Everybody gets excited. Maybe X Games drops a post of a snowmobile and you're like, wait, why are they doing that? Everyone's attacking them like, “Bring it back. Bring it back.

We want like we love snowmobiles.” And you're like, “Okay, that was just a feeler.” But then the rebrand of X Games happened and I'm like, “Okay, we got some fresh blood, you know, maybe there is some sort of truth to this.” And like Jamie and I like every year he's like, “So, you think it's coming?” I'm like, “I don't know, man.” Like, you know, and Jamie was there the first time I won a medal and so he's had the real world experience of like who I am as a person leading up to that, who I am at the event and who I can be after.

And you know it's yeah it's tough to take that away out of someone's life but you know you hear these rumblings every year and then this year at Hay Days the rumblings were loud and I'm like oh wow okay like new ownership the potential's there and

Cuz they're not just like someone that you can like tap into and ask questions right

There's nobody there's nobody I don't have a number to text to be like hey is this actually happening and he's probably under a freaking NDA to say no. Yeah, whatever it is, you know. I was elk hunting when it happened. I was on a bull. So, crazy timing to to have that drop, but just miraculously I was in a little bit of cell service. My phone started blowing up. I didn't even have enough service to load social media, but I could see people that were sending me green texts, you know? They're like, “It's back. We're going to Aspen.” I was like, I got room for one more if you want to join.

So, yeah, pretty cool to to get that fire brought back and I'm sure Jamie's going to be a part of that journey for sure.

Nice. What was your role? Were you kind of just there with Brett? You said your first experience at X Games or

No, it was my first medal.

Your first medal. Okay. The first medal. You were there. You're part of that program.

Yeah. Okay.

I was really just supposed to go to hang out. Yep. But then all a sudden it ended up like just keep him cool, calm, and collected like okay, you know, do whatever, right? And then all of a sudden I ended up being like almost a full-time mechanic.

I had a bit of a team deal and they brought me a mod sled that was way off. And Jamie and I because of my training and because the motor work that we had experienced and we know how to make carburetors work cuz our dad's taught us how to tune a carburetor. We were able to put a package together that worked really well.

And I was like, man, you want to just like come up on stage, like not on stage, but you want to come to the show floor and just like keep me in line because at that point, all I want to worry about is getting on my snowmobile and doing my thing, you know, and you know, Jamie can Jamie has an ear for tuning and clutching and carburetion. And that year it was just like they didn't provide me with the mechanic. Jamie was just happy, but it wasn't I wouldn't let him I wouldn't let him work on my pedal bike, but

I ended up pretty much doing the whole mod kit on Brett's sled and then I did the mod kit on Josh Penner's sled as well. Yeah, cuz they did the mod kit and they didn't even put the O-rings on the head.

Oh gosh.

And I'm like he Josh is riding his sled around all of a sudden it's bogging and sputtering. I'm like no. Coolant piston everywhere. Like this is not good. Like you can't hit a ramp with that.

Yeah.

So I mean that's the big show of it. But Jamie's also like we ride freestyle motocross together, you know, leading up to all that and he's can understand what tricks look good, what I need to change, you know, because he can do them too. So yeah, we trained a lot together. Jamie actually lived with us. I say us, I say my family and Nikki.

Okay.

For like six years. Yeah. So we spent

I didn't know that.

Yeah. This the this story

Like full time or like seasonal time.

Yeah. Full time. Yeah.

And then the one time I broke my legs. So like they had to take care of me. I just sat on the couch.

Mom and dad took care of you.

I had to sit on the couch and play video games the whole time.

I spent half my paycheck to get him a new Xbox. Put him in the living room cuz our house had stairs. We couldn't get him up and down the stairs. He was renting a room out of the basement suite, but he couldn't was not able to go up or down. So, we put him on the couch. We actually drug his bed, put it up in the living room. And

But 6 years like is this just that's a long time. Yeah. Are like when you the first when he asked to move in, was it like, “Hey, let me stay for a little bit.” Or was it like, “Yeah, it's going to be like a long time thing.”

I don't even know how that really went. I think that we just spent so much time riding together that we would be like coming back to Kamloops or Yeah, we were doing it out of Kamloops at the time. Yeah, we're like he was renting a place at the time and he's like maybe we should just like rent a house. Yeah. I'm like, “Yeah, I'll pay rent. Whatever. It'll be all right.” And then we did that. Like we just

Yeah. A suburb, dude. Imagine this one. So, I mean, you're getting a little feel for Jamie is at this point, but like suburb Kamloops, like nice top of the hill, kind of tidy. Think of like top of the hill in Idaho Falls.

Okay.

But suburb like cul-de-sac road. Lifted trucks, sleds in the yard, mod sleds starting at like 10:00 at night or like 3:00 in the morning. You know, like you have a couple drinks like you obviously going to do a lot of burnout or do like you know

Needless to say we didn't last in that house very long

No

Have too many friends on that in that cul-de-sac

No we weren't we weren't very liked

They didn't understand the program you guys were doing

They didn't and they probably looked at us they're like what are these guys doing like they're here on like a Wednesday night at 3:00 in the morning firing up snowmobiles cuz we literally just built the snowmobiles right We had our sleds like the one year we had our sleds completely tore down. We had I think I still have the picture. We have two sleds or three sleds sitting there completely gutted.

No, no motors and just tunnels.

Yeah. Just literally tunnels and bulkheads and we're like we're looking at these sleds. We the floor was pretty cold, so we went and bought some like insulated Crocs and stuff and we would literally just sit there and work on sleds all night.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So then that Yeah. The suburban living didn't really work out that well. We ended up moving out to the country and and finding our sweet spot out there.

Yeah.

Good.

Yeah. Riding dirt bikes.

What was it like when he moved out? Was it like a sad deal?

Yeah, it was I mean it was tough for sure. I mean it was like I said maybe we spent too much time together earlier in the podcast. We just like we became brothers, you know, and it wasn't like a forceful move out. We moved to Clearwater. We had an amazing time there. We had a compound, you know, training facility, massive shop. Jamie was living in the shop, had his own space, honestly. And I think we kind of just like, not that we grew to hate each other, but we just like it got almost too close and then it was like little would piss me off and then little would piss him off, you know?

And it was like my family was growing and it was just like all right, man. We're like we're in our 30s here. Like let's try and like figure this out. Like that was a really sick run.

Yeah, we did good. We did good. But and then I was also driving to Blue River like an hour away guiding every day and so back and forth. I'm like you know what it's just time like

Got to get and we went out on good terms you know and it's not that we went out like he spends plenty of time at my place in Kamloops or we spend plenty of time on the road together. So we went from like our sled builds would almost be hand in hand identical to now we're on separate brands and the friendship is probably even stronger I would say now as it was than just like full time with each other right

You know

For sure.

So yeah I mean it was a crazy time and we're talking like shop parties till 3 in the morning. Not just like shop parties, but like him and I working on sleds, putting beers back and like getting up at 7:00 and going and making sure that the driveway is passable because we lived on a mountain, dude. We like fire the groomer up, clear the driveway off, go groom the freestyle landing. Like

Like probably the most sketchy driveway you've ever been on. Like everyone would pull in with trailers and they'd like try to climb the driveway. Next thing you know, the trailer's going down the hill backwards. You're like, there was a filter halfway up. It's about a I'm going to say it's about a half mile long driveway, but there was a switch back. We called it the filter. It's a censored term before filter, but starts with a P. You could probably put it together.

Yeah.

The wussy filter.

Yeah.

There was a switch back at about halfway point and it got so steep right before that halfway point that like almost everything would just spin out and then you would just end up sliding backwards into the ditch. And then we'd go grab the groomer and drag you out. The pizza delivery guy in the Ford Focus had the best luck.

Oh boy.

No, he had the best luck though. He made it almost every time.

And he would be the only

We have no idea.

The only guy in town that would deliver.

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

The same guy. It's the same guy.

Yeah. He wouldn't let his drive He wouldn't let his drivers deliver.

Okay.

The owner would have deliver.

He also wanted to come hang out with us, too, though. Oh, he got he got a little surprised when he got up to the hill.

You boys are drinking beers. Right on. I'll be right over.

Yeah. Fun. I didn't know the six years. So, that's a that's

Much that goes on in that six years, man. Like I we can sit here for the entire night and break it all down. But the gist of it was that Jamie broke his legs. We took him in as a family and for the six years following that we did every single freaking thing to together. You know, sometimes we go on family trips and Jamie would stay home and keep the fire lit, you know, and vice versa. But yeah, crazy crazy times.

And that's where I say like with the X Games training stuff like he would be there every single day with my wife and they'd both be critiquing me and I was like man I hate you guys right now but I also love you so much for like cuz I would go do a trick and like that felt pretty good and Jamie and Nikki be sitting in the like heated vehicle you know, that kind of looked like ass like oh okay try again.

But that was like the day like that was when we were like we were riding dirt bikes but both of us were kind of still just really kind of getting into freestyle, right? Like we weren't we weren't doing it that much. Yeah. We were just riding, right? And so like it goes from like little things like keeping your legs straight or your legs are out like this. It's like hey put your legs together like bend your knees like let's get your feet up like just little things like that.

And when someone tells you that you're doing it wrong, you're kind of like, “Yeah, beat it, nerd.” Like, like, “Go kick rocks.” Like, “I don't I don't want to listen to you.” But then you look at it in pictures, you're like, “Ah, yeah, okay. You're right. You need someone like that, right? That isn't just a yes man, yes, you know, yes man person.” And so I think with like the this industry, like especially where Brett's at, he needs that cuz 90% of people are just be like, “Oh, dude, that was so sick.”

Yeah,

That was being able to like dissect the whole thing and just make little tweaks with levers.

Yeah.

You know, like that makes big differences when you compile it all together.

There's so much truth to that. I mean,

Yeah. Like I watched him so much that I would watch like the one time he's like, “Oh yeah, look at this.” He's like, “I'm holding these flips so long and I'm watching him. I'm like, “Dude, you're going to catch your skis. You're going to catch your skis.” He's like, “No, I'm good. It's good.” Literally next run catches the skis, eats it. I'm like, “I told you.” Like, and then like he's doing like holy grabs and he's like barely grabbing his seat. We're at Hay Days and I'm like literally the jump before I'm like dude you're going to miss that seat. Next jump misses a seat.

Yeah.

Had a

Yeah. On the same wave on the same wavelength almost. You know it's such a knack. I mean you get so comfortable watching the same person do the same thing over and over again. You can see complacency start to happen and you're like

For sure

Dude like that was pretty sick but like if you miss the seat it's going to suck. You know it's like yeah. So Jamie and I mesh really well, you know, on and off the bike or the sled, whichever it is. So, yeah, it could be a completely another pod of hike, break down that six years of living in Clearwater and Kamloops.

Yeah, we'll have to plan that for,

It's a multi-series.

A multi like a series of it, huh?

Yeah, I like it. As far as like X, if we keep riffing on the X Games thing, favorite moment for each of you guys, is it the same moment, a different moment? Like if you could kind of tie it back to something

I don't know, dude. Like it's just

Does it kind of like all

Yeah, it is actually like it happens so fast even for me. Like I'm really not there to do anything but I'm running around. And I'm like, I'm doing. But yeah, it's like no matter what, like, but when he does good, it's like, all right, that was sweet. And he's like, can we get a beer?

A proud papa.

Yeah. Yeah. When can we get home? Because it just snowed four feet. Are you done with X yet, dude? We got to get back. I'm looking at the weather. I'm like, okay, come on, man. Like, we got to go back and ride like this. I don't care what you do.

I would say I mean for me my favorite moment that included Jamie would have been in 15 was the year that he like helped get that sled up and running and I got my first medal out of the deal. You know and I just went out and did stuff that was clean and consistent and we literally trained in the backyard for that one. No foam pit, nothing. Just like day in day out with Jamie and my wife just putting a program together. We had no idea what we were doing honestly. Just a ramp and a landing and just hit it every day and go to X Games and hope for the best.

Watching dirt bike videos, watching people that like rode dirt bikes were like, “Oh, look at this guy. Look what he's doing here.”

Yeah.

Let's build that for the sled. So, we go into the shop and none of us are like both of us suck at welding. So, here we are like, “Okay, grind it.” And yeah, maybe that might hold, but I doubt it. I wouldn't use it.

Yeah. And like once again, we're still in a time frame where you can't just pull up your phone and get inspiration from

Totally

What everyone's also doing, you know, like

It wasn't that easy.

Yeah. It's a small industry, right? So like not only you can't pull up what everyone's doing, but there's stuff built for dirt bikes that doesn't work for sleds and vice versa. So then you're looking at this and you're like, “Oh, this guy has that How can we build that for flat?

Yeah.

All right.

Here we go.

To the drawing board.

Yeah.

And then if we were to like open the scope up and look at back at my favorite X Games moment, would be hands down double golds in 2018, that one I, you know, we were based out of Clearwater at the time, right? So Jamie had his hands I don't think you made it to the event that year. But he was there every day during training and and you know, that was the first year that I had brought Nick in. And not to put Jamie out of it, but it was like I we could only do so much with what we had. And that year I was like, you know what? Like I want to hire a mechanic. And not a mechanic, but like what would you even call him? He just does everything.

He's just Yeah, dude.

He's a get done guy.

Yeah. Like you've never seen a guy, he wakes up a like this guy's insane. He wakes up in the morning, grabs a whiskey, drinks a whiskey. This is his daily routine. Starts drinking whiskey at whatever time in the morning. And he'll look at a sled and be like, Brett will be like, “Oh, I don't want the 129. I want the 121.” There he goes switching the track rails. Like yeah just swapping a whole skid like

Something that would take Jamie and I probably most of the day. Nick's got her done in a couple hours.

Yeah, he's like he's dialed.

That elevated my program and it allowed for days when it was like Jamie would be riding back country and come back in. He's like dude the snow's so good. He's like you got to like get your training done early tomorrow and then come out. And it was like we had days like that. And that

That year, it was that year, I believe, that we went on the

The midnight adventure. No, that was a late afternoon.

Late afternoon. We did exactly that. Got the training done in the morning and Jamie and I have this zone and there's two zones and we have this idea. It's like, “Okay, we're going to loop. We're going to drive around. We're going to leave one truck on another parking area and we're going to leave from the house. We're going to connect these two riding zones and it'll be no big deal. It should only take us a couple hours.” So, I get riding. We ride maybe a little bit later than I wanted to on the ramps. And it's like 1:00 p.m. you know.

Okay.

And then I come in, change out of my freestyle gear into my sled gear. And Jamie's like, “Well, are we going to connect today?” I'm like, “Yeah, let's do it.” So, we drop the truck on the one end, get on the sleds, and we get up to the summit of call it zone one.

This hasn't been done before, or like you guys haven't done before.

Not in that way. Not in that way. Not this way. Okay. So we get the gear on and we get to the top of the summit at about 3:00. And you got to take in mind that this is January.

Okay.

And Canada, so like it gets dark early. Yeah. At 3:00, Jamie and I look in and we're like, yeah, like it you can visibly see where we need to be. And we looked at each other and we're like, well, I guess this is it. We're dropping in.

Like what you said earlier, you're kind of just teetering on that. You guys teetered on that.

We teetered off. We

Hard on that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

But so I'm leading the charge and this is before Cardos and we rode so closely together at the time. We never even used radios.

Yeah.

I mean we still ride that close. But drop in first mandatory 20ft cliff drop to a tree opening. I bail off and Jamie's right behind me. We kind of like scurry our way down and get to another little flat spot and like oh we got to traverse left and start traversing left. God damn. Another 20 mandatory or 30 mandatory down

Into like a sidehill like we're landing on our paddles just like skidding down.

The final one was a sidehill into an opening with a drop into a chute. Not an avalanche chute I wouldn't call it, but just like a slough run and we get to the bottom of this V trench and we look up and we're like, “Thank goodness we don't got to go back up that.” And I don't know, Jamie, you can finish off the rest of it here. But we go up the V drainage, start heading, you know, to try and connect zone two.

Yeah. And as soon as we get in there, Brett hits this one stick, right? And it catches him like there inside of the thigh. Inside the thigh. He's like, I ripped my nuts. I ripped my nuts. He's losing his mind. He like literally drops his pants down. He's like, “Oh.” He's like, “Oh, I'm not.”

Did he have you checked to make sure everything was okay?

I didn't get over that.

He stood on his sweater and just laughed. Dude, I'm like, “I don't care. It's not me.” I don't know. You're going to have to duct tape it or something. But,

You know, at first he thought I was crazy, but then I seen I was nuts. But, so then we get up there and we're like going up this draw. We're like, “Oh, yeah. This is sweet.” Like, “We're going to do it.”

It was good riding, man. It was awesome.

And we break into the opening and we both look up and we're like, “Oh, no.” Like a 80ft cliff and it goes all the way around.

Oh, wow.

We were too low.

We traversed too far left. When we zigg yeah. So then we're like,

“Well, we're definitely not going to make it up that.” Like we're not mountain goats. Like we can ride but we're like it is literally rock all the way and we're like

Oh no. And this is early in the game before like downloadable and savable Google maps or anything like we're kind of just winging it.

Winging things. Yeah. And it's like in between two zones and so not much traffic. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

We were definitely the only

Pioneers. You've been pioneers.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The only thing that was down there was some brown trout in the creek. Yeah.

And so then we're like, “Oh no, we have to go back up.”

Where you came?

You just went down.

And we're like, and I'm running a I'm running a supercharged snowmobile with a headlight delete. No headlight.

No, you had a headlight.

Oh, I had a headlight. Sorry. I had a headlight.

I had a headlight delete.

And he's running a He's running a pipe kit with a headlight delete.

Oh gosh. No headlamp.

No headlamp. No. No. We were just supposed to go for a quick little

It was going to be a quick little rip, dude. So, it took us till like 3:30. We didn't get back to the house that night until about 3:00 a.m.

But those days later, we're on the hill. You called Nikki at 3.

Yeah.

A.M.

A.M.

Yeah.

But in the midst of all of this happening, I mean, we brushed over how we got had to get out of there.

We climbed up and we got underneath those mandatory cliffs that we dropped in. You can't get back up them. We would traverse sidehill to the point where we could get back around that cliff and then get back

You know and we tried to pick our way through here

They it got so dark and I'm like oh I got a survival kit in my bag you know it's maybe he's going to have a flashlight or something. We pull out this little like it there it's this big around and it's a halogen with a single AAA in it. You have to like shake it a bunch and see it light up. One of those shakers. It's like elastic band. We strapped under Jamie's visor. And so what we did, I'm like, “Okay, I got a headlight. I'll climb up, get to a spot, and then I want you to pass me on the next run so that I can light your way. And then we'll just leap frog our way up out of this drainage. It'll be no big deal.”

So Brett's on the supercharger, so he's almost out of fuel. I have fuel, but I have no light. So Brett's shining his light on the hill and I'm hitting the hill and then I get up and I go as far as I can without seeing anything and then Brett comes up to where I'm at or where his light shines at one point we just light off a slide in the dark and I didn't know the magnitude of it until I had to turn around and come back through it and I was like holy dude that would have taken us out.

Yeah. Anyway, we get back up at a certain point. My wife's seven months pregnant at the time. Also, I forgot to leave that little detail out.

Yeah, you did. That's a big that's a big detail.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. She was real impressed with us.

But she had the wits about her and she goes, “When are you guys going to be back?” And I said, “Oh, it'll be a little bit after dark.” And if it's not after dark, like call the neighbors. Cuz the neighbors around the zone were I would say good riders. You know, not Jamie and I's level, but if something were to happen, they could find our tracks and probably figure out where we went. So, you know, after dinner comes around.

Is this a place where like you've got a bird's eye where like if it if worst thing can't happen, I can leave my sled and I can hike out.

Are we getting there? Are we getting there? I'll add to that for you.

Okay.

After dinner comes, you know, she made us probably some pasta or something. Dinner comes, kids are fed, kids are in bed now, and still no Brett and Jamie walking through the door. So, she calls the neighbor and she goes, “Brett and Jamie, we're trying to connect zone A to zone B. I haven't heard from them. They don't have a satellite communicator. You know, there's no cell service where they are.

Can you guys maybe go and check because I know that search and rescue is not going to be capable in that area to get to where we need to be.” So the neighbors round up a group of them and you know I don't know what time it would have been 10 11:00 Jamie and I are still fighting this slope and then at one point we go silent and dark and I can hear sleds and then all of a sudden on the high ridgetop you can see headlights and they are traversing and they're get to the point where Jamie and I do the first mandatory and then it goes pitch black again and I'm like okay well they're on us you know and so Jamie and I are working our way through and the crew of dudes are scared to snowmobile down there.

So they get the snowshoes on and they just Wow. As Jamie and I are traversing up, they're traversing down on snowshoes and we do the like we do the sort of like

Because at the time you don't know they have snowshoes and they've left their sleds, right? Yep.

And it's just pitch black and we're they can hear us and we shut down. They could hear us yell and we're trying to like I would start my sled up and just like get it on its side. Like Jamie said, I'm almost out of gas. So, I'm like leery of like how much I do this, you know? And maybe they hear us, maybe they don't. Anyway, we do this whole sort of like yin-yang. They're dropping down. We're coming up. And time passes by, no connection, no, like I said, no radios. Time passes by. We ended up at their sleds at about 3:00.

And then we get up there and all the sleds are there and we see the snowshoe tracks and I'm like there's no there is no way that they dropped in that.

They did. They did. They had ropes.

They were right off.

They get back up to us and they're like dead. Like they were worse than we were and mad.

Yeah.

And they're like

Because you guys just waiting there for them or what?

Yeah. They're like, “How

You guys didn't want to drop back in and just do that loop again or what?”

Yeah. Yeah. No. And they're like, “How how did you guys get out of that?” They're like,

They pitched black.

They were like, the one fella at the back end of the group was so bad at the like his it was he was smoked like just done. And he's lifting his legs out of the snow. Oh boy.

Each leg, you know, we're talking like my dad's friends that like I grew up as a little kid like riding with, you know, so they know potentially the kind of stuff we're getting into.

Yeah.

They were hot. And then you know the ride back to the house was quite cold and

Fast

Fast. Yeah. We got to the shop and Nikki's like we I called and said, “Okay, we're out.” She's like, “Oh, thank God.” Like thank God you guys are safe. Like I was worried obviously in 7 months pregnant like damn near putting her into pre-term labor, but yeah, the the one beer around the fire inside the shop after was well enjoyed. And then yeah, getting into bed was a it was a a short-lived sleep and we were up and getting kids off to school.

So that was probably one of the more epic rides that we've ever been on. It was it was something like

It was good that it was us two and we didn't have anyone else with us cuz like at one point Brett's like we're staying tonight. I'm like no I think we're all right. I'm like I'm like even if we did I'm like whatever we got everything we're daylight tomorrow. Yeah. I'm like I'm like we got everything. I'm like man look at these look at how big this rock is. Like let's just build a shelter right there. We'll start a fire underneath like by the rock. I'm like, we'll be fine. Like I'm not worried.

There was multiple times where I was ready to toss the towel, you know, dude, like but I think having put yourself into positions like that really like creates grit and obviously strengthens your friendship because now when we ride, I don't fear much other than if the mountain's going to fall off and take us with it. But Jamie and I have increased our communication efforts obviously with we're running you know the radios and when we're going on a deep mission we'll run the Cardo Bluetooth communicators.

That is and you've got pre like prep work your technology you can go and map it and

Figure it out. So that was a great learning experience and probably one of the most epic what's supposed to be short rides of my life. I would say the most epic fail.

Yeah.

That we succeeded. Like it should have been a big time fail. Like we should have heli'd those sleds out.

Yeah.

Like it was it was terrible.

So the question then is have you guys attempt is there a second attempt to this? Like have you guys

No, not yet.

Not yet. Not yet. Not yet.

We've went from position B to position A

That way.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay,

We've went back the other way and that was easy. But to go A to B is a different story.

Like I said, Jamie was mentioning earlier like we were too we're just too low in the drainage to connect. But once we had daylight and had done that, we're like, “Oh, we could just we can go from this side to that side pretty easily.”

Yeah.

Actually, it's like a travel path that my dad showed me as a kid. Like it's doable on a wedge chassis XCR.

I'm going to wait patiently for that vlog to hit the channel. Okay. The mission vlog. Okay.

Yep.

That'll be That'll be some good stuff.

We have some We've done some good missions like was that I was on the 600

Couple years ago.

Yeah. We It was a little early and we dropped down and kind of got in a creek and I'm like we really have to get out of this creek. Like it's not going to be good if we don't. And yeah, like we ended up having to shovel platforms and stuff like that. Like

I love that stuff though.

Yeah.

Like

Some So some people like really love that gets them off, right? Other people

Hate us,

Dude. I'm right there for it. We have some friends too that brick up and like just don't want to be on the mountain with us during those times. But, some of the best times that we've had on the mountains together is right on that teetering point. And I mean, we can drop the link in the description to that video. It was vlogged. You can, go and watch that one.

Yeah. Crazy. It when time I've always when you've got a good crew, good buddies, like the stuff that you remember the most is when it sucks the most for some like doesn't matter what it is, right? If it's a hunt, if it's a hunt, you remember the stuff that sucks the most. And in the moment, it's it kind of sucks a little bit. But if you're with a good crew, you can make some fun with it, but then it's afterwards where it's like that was like

Well, and we alluded to before when those times happen, it's typically just him and I. And that's not because we don't want to have other people with us or we not invite like you just it's just how it works

The group things out and it works you know. Yeah. Like there's nothing there's like there's very few people that I'd like I would go to and be like hey it's 3:00 in the afternoon

Adventure mission.

Let's go down this. Like I know like Andrew's one of those guys like that guy's an me and him we're not allowed to ride together unsupervised

Cuz no matter what we're running out of fuel

Like

You just can't not run out of fuel.

And we do have friend groups we do have friend groups that they're I mean their other halfs strongly discourage riding with Jamie and I because they know that we're coming back in the dark. But Jamie and I and like most people that are passionate about snowmobiling are wanting to push what's what is the limits of ourselves and the machines and most of the times it takes the entire day to do that. I can't remember the last time I've come to the truck riding with Jamie or just you know riding myself where there's daylight at the truck to load up in you know so we try and squeeze the most out of each ride and yeah it's adventure is key I think.

Yeah, I love hearing that

To keep us on our toes. Jamie is not a flipper. He's not a huge jumper, but you put him in a position where it's a make or break side or descent or you got to get the climb in one shot or you're not getting out. That's where Jamie shines. And I think that's where we lean into each other so hard.

Yeah.

I know like you see lots of people and it's like they can do the hop overs and they can do rear entrances. You had to ask Caleb about that one. Yeah. Or like that kind of stuff. Like they can do it on an open field like on an open face, right? But when they get into a situation where it's dark and they literally need to do that.

Yeah.

They struggle like And there's like some very good riders that we've seen really struggle with that when it's like a make or break situation like

Yeah. Either you do it right now or we're going to be here for like two hours. Yeah. Right. Like

It's wild seeing like the people that are confident and can actually ride like that. It's like

All right.

And I think that those groups or those friendships are starting to expand. I think now just with social media and you know people's riding abilities or just proximity you know, you got Jamie and I that can go on these rides and manage on our own but you also have you know a few other crews you got Andy and Kyle and you've got you know back in the day it was Rob and Dave and it's like in this industry I think that's what is so cool about is you create this brotherhood.

Yeah.

And when those merge that day is insane. That's an incredible day, you know, and so it's yeah, it's really cool to have someone that is so close to be able to share that time with.

It's cool to see like so me and Brett, we ride together so much that literally we pick the same lines. We'll start like 300 ft apart going up a hill. Next thing you know, we're both like this and we're like almost hitting each other like, “Oh, oh boy.” Yeah,

I have one specific video clip where we start in an open cut block and it's legit a race to one funnel line and we are like banging skis trying to get into this line and then and at some point I just like, okay, you got it. And I just like slot in, you know, that happens a lot when we're on the mountains. We used it like back in the day like you raced on the trail like

We were like full on like it was like hit to pass. I think the one time I got my sled stuck in your sled on the way back from Grizzly Lodge. Like come on guys. Like really it's a trail. Why is my sled piled up in your sled? Like we have to stop and get our sleds untangled. Like it's like just smart

Like

Competition.

Yeah.

Good stuff, guys. So, we're that was a nice little noodle we did right there. We started with like some X Games training and you know best experiences from there and that kind of bled over into adventure mission A to B. When Brett, one thing that I was going to ask you because you said you were hunting.

Yeah.

You get notified X Games, right? How did it come about when you got an invitation?

Yeah.

How does that what does that invitation look like? What is it?

Yeah, I mean it was a it was an email invite from X Games registration center. Clickable Yeah, clickable link. Go in. I have an previous X Games profile loaded already. So you know that email is sent specifically to the athletes and you know on the inside it shows you what the event times are. You know, when you got to be there. Accommodation suggestions. Yeah, it's a whole deal. So, it's not just like here's your invite, we'll see you in January. You know, there's preempt there. You know, I worked closely with the X Games PR team. I was scheduling interviews, you know, phone calls, team meetings.

That single day alone created a whirlwind of work, which was awesome. Yeah. I wanted to be in the bush really bad chasing that bull, but I spent as much time as I could handling business and went back into trying to fill the freezer.

Yeah. What do honest take here? What do you think reintroducing snowmobiling into X Games will actually do for the sport of snowmobiling?

I think it's great. I mean, you know, for me as the athlete, I'm happy to be able to be a representative of snowmobiling. Yes, that's the way that I look at it, right? Like, I'm given the opportunity to go represent the sport that I love so much and the sport that's given me so much opportunity. We're back on the world stage. X Games is global, right? And so I think that it's a great opportunity even for the OEMs to be able to, you know, showcase product, you know, to support athletes and for the, you know, the product support sponsors to get their stuff seen because, you know, YouTube is one side of, you know, I guess you call it media.

YouTube is one side of it, but when you expand that and you go to live television, you're reaching millions of households, whether it's just on in the background while mom's cooking dinner and X Games is on and the kids are watching on TV, that kid that's watching that probably isn't a subscriber to my YouTube channel. So, I think that it's a great opportunity to put snowmobiling back on the map.

Yeah. I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this question because I didn't write it down for you. Oh, because when you go back to X Games when X Games was going, it

What was that?

Duck.

Get down. Take cover. Maybe.

No one else did.

I think they just popped a new cake.

Yeah, no one else did. Were the only ones that heard that?

They heard Jamie was in town.

Yeah. Would you say when X Games when snowmobiling was you know a main stay in winter X Games snowmobiling was different? Wasn't there more eyeballs kind of on that freestyle snocross and not as much into like the backcountry side of things because and once again this is an assumption for myself. I think now either I just am not algorithmed to like the trail and the snocross and stuff like that. I just don't ever see it.

Yeah.

Thing I you really only see like big mountain stuff, you know, on social in media.

And I think Jamie, you can kind of lean into that one as far as like, you and I both grew up watching it on TV. So like what was your take? I mean, were you following snocross or was it just the X Games you seen it?

You know, like you'd all obviously watch the races or whatever, but like that snocross back then was big.

Yeah.

Right. Like it but they also had landings,

The Yeah. The sport of snocross has evolved also. But I mean, and likewise with Jamie, like when you watch snocross on the X Games, you're watching Blair Morgan and Tucker Hibbert, like there's we're talking epic battles like, I believe Blair

Like the competition is what got people like dialed into that,

You know, and they're mod sleds and they're twin pipes and they're 200 horsepower and like they're on these really sick handbuilt machines. When I grew up as a kid, I aspired just to be able to like be like them and then now I am one of them, you know. But yeah, I mean the backcountry scene was not really in then. It was, you know, you seen the videos and we referred to like the freestyle motocross days where it was like, the Crusty Demons of Dirt was like a video part and Slednecks was a video part, but racing was the forefront.

Now, I feel like there's this transition where, you know, backcountry riding or freestyle or world's first stunts are becoming more and more known and seen and going viral on the internet and the racing stuff is maybe taking I got to be careful how I say it, but maybe taking a bit of a backseat.

Yeah.

You know, there's I feel like there's a crazy amount of OEM support in the backcountry world now. That never used to be a thing. People used to just go buy a snowmobile and go huck themselves off 100 foot cliffs and hope that the film or hit record.

Yeah.

Now snowmobiles are being provided and support is being given

To do that

To go and do that. That has been a huge transition point I think in the sport. Now X Games back on live TV. Those OEMs are going to jump on board to that.

Yeah. I don't like the with X Games like as an OEM, it's cool to have your sled there. Are you going to get a million sales out of a freestyle sled?

Probably not.

But if your sled's winning and you have the right people on it, it definitely speaks for the brand, right?

Yeah. That brand recognition. That's another hit. That's another hit there. Sometimes, you know, what people say, it takes seven, you know, seven hits, seven slaps until someone

Converts and makes a decision. I think like with X Games coming back, personally, I feel like it's a step in the right direction cuz it's not social media based.

Yeah.

Right.

It's a contest, right? Contest like it. So, like everyone think about it like we all know tons of really good snowmobilers.

Yeah. So, at what level are you a professional snowmobiler?

Isn't that the question? In the back country, who are the bosses?

Who decides? Who decides that you're a professional snowmobiler?

I'll decide.

Jamie decides. He's the mayor of Blue River,

Right?

No. Like, but like that's the thing like with X Games, we have an event that literally proves who's a professional rider. Right. Where back country, we don't have that.

Yeah.

Hill climb, we have that.

You need a competition. Yeah.

Structure, right? Yeah. You need that structure to prove like I always tell people, people always say, “Oh, you're a professional rider.” No, I'm not a professional rider. I'm Or no, I'm not a professional rider. I'm a professional rider. As per my opinion, my opinion, I'm good. Yeah,

Your opinion. Well, that doesn't matter.

That's good stuff.

Yeah.

Okay, so that's actually going to lead us right into our rapid fire round of questions I'm going to grill you guys with because what would be your X Games if you could if you were the maker of the game, the games? What would be your dream event that you could just drop on the board and boom? That's the That's the event.

That's freaking easy for me right now.

Okay.

Real Sled.

Yeah. I feel like that'd be a cool one. Like cuz like if you think about it like they did Real Moto,

Right?

And it's you pick the guys and they do their parts and they send it in, right? It's all voted.

There you go.

That's who's that'd be the sickest one. I think

You know freestyle and speed and style is really amazing. It's at the end of the day it's a judge sport. Speed and style has racing aspect to it. There's a clear winner on the course. You know, but for the that whole time that X Games wasn't a thing with motorsports, I in the background was like, man, just give us a Real Sled. Like, let us do Real Sled. Like, but that also allowed me to take time to go and work on special projects with Monster Energy where I kind of just did my own Real Sled segment where each year I just was like, okay, you know, this year I'm going to try a seat grab back flip snow to snow. Yeah.

Or you know next one I want to try and do is a front flip or so I kept my progression curve alive by just like self I don't know what you call it self-motivation self drive

Yeah but I think like something like obviously we have backwoods that's doing the compet yeah power hour and stuff like that right that's a competition for sure but it's not X Games.

Yeah. It's not great. It's not global. It's not on

Like you're not voting on it like on live TV like you're not

Yeah.

Everyone's not going on it and being like, “Oh, yeah. I'm going to watch all these and like pick one.”

Yeah. I don't know what the status is yet.

Yeah. But, you know, if they get to it, that'd be sweet. And I think it would give other riders an opportunity to showcase like what snowmobiling is not just on a closed course. Yeah.

You know.

Yeah.

Well, I think like snowmobiling is not like Yeah. It's a sport. It's a

It's a lifestyle, man.

It's more of a lifestyle. Like look at me. I've been riding snowmobiles since I was 5 years old. Like there's this trail like north of here. It's called the Golden Triangle. Well, my dad built two legs of that trail. Like, my dad's been riding forever. My dad used to build sleds from the ground up. Like,

Like

We were both born into this. We didn't have a choice.

No choice. No. No. Like, my dad gave me the option. I could either play hockey

Or I could ride snowmobiles. And like I was given the exact same option.

We talked about this. I'm like, what is it with you Canadians? You only have two outcomes of life. Sledding or hockey.

Yeah. Like I can't skate, so

Yeah.

Yeah. Terrible Canadian.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right. So, you guys, I'm going to keep going down this rapid fire. Okay. Okay.

You ready?

You've identified a gnarly fresh line. Okay. You kind of already alluded to this. You guys are just going to magnet into each other, but

Yeah. No, it's a race.

Who wins out of you two? Like if legit like there's something whatever that thing is that's on the line that thing is on the line and you guys are head to head.

You know what it's so hard to say.

You would never know.

I would say that as long as we're within eyesight and earshot we're both winning at that point because if it's that gnarly and that technical, I'm going to need him at some point and he's going to need me at some point.

I know who's losing. It's the guys behind us.

Good answer.

Like they're going to be crying.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good answer right there.

Yeah.

Okay. Most underrated snowmobiler of all time.

This guy right here.

I wouldn't go that far. You know what? There's so many.

Yeah.

Like you know there's so many people like you I couldn't even put a name on actually. Average army.

Yeah.

Average army. Average army.

Yeah, we got this one guy in Blue River. He's like a pretty big dude.

Yeah,

But he will never give up like ever. We've dragged him into some pretty terrible stuff.

No.

And he gets on the radio and you can just hear him breathing.

Yeah,

I'm good. Yeah. Or like another one. Joel. Yeah. That guy like shreds. There's so many. Like I couldn't even put a name. They just don't put they just don't turn the camera on or care. Yeah.

Yeah. They don't care. And I mean I was really quick to just like point to Jamie, but I mean Jamie's my friend.

I've seen the capability that he has, but I say that he's the most underrated just in the sense that he's just like loves snowmobiling and he could care less if there's a camera on or if you get the shot for Instagram or like when I was starting the whole YouTube channel and you know really trying to push social media, it was like he's like, “Man, can we just ride?” You know, and like you finally have like kind of just like grown to be like, okay, if we're going riding, there's going to be cameras out and maybe the pace has slowed down a little bit, but it's going to be worth it. Yeah.

And it's and I think that's where I was so quick to point to you, Jay, is that like you really don't care, but you're at the level where it's like, you said, you're professional, you know?

But he really just is like a snowmobiler at heart and I think that's the coolest thing is like you're not trying to fake it to make it and and but the flip side of that is yeah, I got these videos coming out and we're doing all this stuff now is like there's some facial recognition starting to happen whereas before it was just like Jamie from Blue River the Trash Panda, you know, like and but now it's like we could be walking in separate directions, maybe one guy recognizes Jamie and didn't catch me or whatever and then he strikes up a conversation. He's like, “Oh yeah, like, I watched your last video with Brett.

That was really cool.” And he's like, “I'm at 123,000 on Instagram and he's at, you know, I don't

Enough. I'm at 10.”

Yeah. I don't know if he's at 10. Like that underrated happening. You know, there's no yeah, there's no faking it to make it. So,

You see what they're doing right there?

Still chasing the sled.

They just walked out. Is he gonna Dang, dude. Is

That's bird legs right there. Colby. Oh boy.

Bird legs as you said.

Well, okay. Hold on.

Just call him bird legs.

So, check it out. That has a story to it. Okay. It has a story to it. We had our local dealership in conjunction with Klim, they had a display snowmobile that we put at Action Motorsports in Idaho Falls. That snowmobile went up on top of like a closet, like a display. So, they yanked the engine out.

Okay. So the snowmobile's really light.

So we did this video. I don't know if

It challenge one or the

So it was right around that time. Yes, we used that same snowmobile, but Colby lifts that snowmobile up and just carries it into the trailer

Instead of like driving it up the ramp. Yeah.

And everybody lost it, dude. They're like, you can just like drive your snowmobile up the trailer. Guys were calling it bird. Like there's no way bird legs can lift a sled like that. So that's where his nickname his nickname is bird legs now. So

You guys were just bugging on him cuz he skips leg day or something.

No, no, that dude's in the gym more than like everyone. So that's why it's so funny is you know he got called out verbally. Anyways, that was a tangent. I think they're taking their they're just going to carry a sled out like that.

Yeah. Cool. Oh, it's right there.

Good for them. All right. It's a nice looking unit.

Anyways, we're going to wrap this up. I've got one question for you. And if we keep it in, we keep it in. Okay. Do you recall Brett at his lowest moment? Like you were you lived with him for six years. This isn't on the program, boys. This is not on the program,

Dude. The lowest moment.

The lowest moment that you

Was literally in that creek draw like where we spent the whole night. Dude, he was like I thought he was going to lose it for a bit there. Like he was worried.

Yeah.

I'm like I had to talk him off the ledge. I'm like man calm down.

That was it, huh?

He was aggressive. Like

I'm surprised you went there and not the bathroom incident in the

Oh yeah. So when he broke his tail, that's another low point. He's had a couple.

Yeah. Okay.

But so he when he broke his tailbone the one time and ankle combo. Yeah. So he's like obviously they gave him some drugs and stuff. Well, you get pretty bunged up on those, right? Nikki sends me this video and Brett's sitting on the on like the right. Nikki's videoing him for his first. He's literally peeing on the wall. I have the video. I'll send it to you.

We'll overlay. We'll overlay that, right?

Yeah, we'll overlay. Yeah. And he looks so stupid. He has like this pink cast on and Oh, yeah. It was hilarious.

That could qualify for the lowest.

That's a low point. I thought that's where we were going right now.

Yeah. Well, you brought it up. So,

Well, boys, this has been a lovely little chat with you guys. Hopefully, you got to know a little bit more about Jamie than I do. Now, now, now there's like a person behind Jamie now with me, not just Jamie, you know, always with Brett. So, this is good stuff. I'm glad we were able to pull some moments and some good times with you guys.

Yeah. Thank you for taking the time, too. Been a time clicker. We're all

This could be our longest one. We didn't hit We didn't hit this time. I mean, we had the CboysTV guys.

We didn't hit this with them.

But yeah, so we'll wrap this up, but thanks for tuning in, guys. We appreciate you. Sledder Cast is a fun thing we do. It allows us to have cool fun conversations. We hope it's what you like to listen to and we'll keep we'll do our best and keep bringing them, right? So, there we go.

This is just the start of the trilogy, I think.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We'll definitely have to do a couple more.

Yeah. Number one right here. So, there you go. All right. Thanks, everyone. Peace.